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We Would Like to Hear from You... Joining Worship at PMC
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For nearly a year now we have been worshipping on-line via Zoom and Facebook. We are eager to hear about the ways you have been participating.
We are also anticipating the time when we can begin to worship in-person again. We expect there will be a lengthy period when only some will be able to gather at our meetinghouse. During that time, we are making plans to continue streaming our services from PMC.
After the pandemic has passed and everyone can safely join worship in-person, we are considering continuing to stream our services. People who have been joining from a distance, and people who may still find it difficult to join in-person (e.g. Illness), would be able to continue to worship with us. We are aware this will change the dynamic of our services and would like to hear from you.
~The PMC Worship Committee
(Sarah Holcomb, Kimberly Brandt, Marj Nafziger, Bruce Kuhns, Deb Coates, Crystal Miller, Christina Moss, Rod Stafford)
We are also anticipating the time when we can begin to worship in-person again. We expect there will be a lengthy period when only some will be able to gather at our meetinghouse. During that time, we are making plans to continue streaming our services from PMC.
After the pandemic has passed and everyone can safely join worship in-person, we are considering continuing to stream our services. People who have been joining from a distance, and people who may still find it difficult to join in-person (e.g. Illness), would be able to continue to worship with us. We are aware this will change the dynamic of our services and would like to hear from you.
~The PMC Worship Committee
(Sarah Holcomb, Kimberly Brandt, Marj Nafziger, Bruce Kuhns, Deb Coates, Crystal Miller, Christina Moss, Rod Stafford)
The survey is now closed
Public comments...
Where PMC excels is in our relationship with each other. Church in your undies with a mug of coffee isn’t who we are. I come from a church which live steamed for years. PMC quite frankly can’t compete as just one more church channel in the livestream world Keep the audio for those who can’t attend but dividing up the church into strata isn’t good. The research is out there. What livestream does to attendance and a sense of community isn’t good. Over time if we loose the connection to each other our mission is lost. Too many folks will think we can have our cake and eat it too. Having come from a church that lost its mission in significant part due to live-streaming I’ve seen the effects of it. Technology that reduces community to something that is more screen time doesn’t work.
~ Chris Barghout
To those in far away places (or those close by who can't make it any other way) I'm thrilled that we'll still get to participate together in church, even if some of us are in the old building, and you're somewhere else.
~TK
I suggest we increase our bandwidth (So lots of people can use our Wi-Fi at the same time) We (PMC members) could call folks (who still feel unsafe) when we get to church and have them on facetime or some other video chat app. They could talk to people in the old chapel in addition to seeing and hearing the service. Keep it simple. Make relationships our central motivation.
~ Curt Weaver
I would like to see a separate, shorter, simple live online service where people can gather to listen to some of the Sunday morning music and scriptures, replay the sermon (video captured in the morning), and pray together. I think this could be a way to provide an opportunity for people who aren't able to attend in-person worship for whatever reason -- maybe due to distance, illness/health risk, bad weather, schedule conflict, low energy -- to connect with each other and our congregation instead of the more vicarious experience of livestreaming.
~ Rachel Joy
I have enjoyed seeing people who live outside of the metro Portland area or in another state or even in another country participate with us on Sunday mornings via Zoom. It would be great if there were some way they could continue to connect with us on Sunday mornings, even if most of us are in the church building again.
~ Linda Rush
t is difficult right now for me to imagine a world with unrestricted in-person access to our worship services and other activities. Passing time will likely soften this view. Due to the pandemic, a hybrid worship model would be my preference so that no person is excluded. We can not change the past, but the future is available for adjustments when appropriate and we have found equilibrium in our personal comfort levels.
Also, I do not think an indefinitely continued hybrid model is a deterrent to in-person attendance, but rather another way for people to be included in the church community. When we lived on the Oregon Coast, I would have loved to be able to access the worship services via ZOOM. It also offers benefit to people traveling, who are ill or for whom in-person participation is difficult.
~ Dianna Eshleman
Having the ability to watch the service has allowed my family to attend church again due to work schedules. We would of course love the luxury of having Sunday mornings off, however, essential workers are still going to be essential workers whenever their scheduled shifts dictate! We have loved being able to participate, even if it is later on Sunday evening.
~ Heather Callison
I read the comments above after completing my survey. I like the focus on alternate ways of making worship available to those who can not attend, if I was ill or housebound - I would love a way to really connect. And I also dread the idea of how live stream and cameras in the church automatically will pull attention from the moment in presence in time and space. I so look forward to being back with a group of people who commit to follow Jesus together and be with each other relationally.
~Colleen Milstein
I usually listen via Zoom using my phone. This morning I used Zoom with my tablet and phone. Streaming worship time so those at a distance (Kropfs,/ D Ness, etc) is great. Streaming also allows those who are very aged and infirm ( ahem; like one I know well) and that is good, too. BUT the mechanics and technology of zooming are diminishing for me. Even greater, the distance feels distant One of my grad school textbooks was all about relationships. And how to build relationship in the therapeutic process to promote healing. This simply is not present in physical absence in the same way You and I are hearing this expressed many times in many ways. It is my persecution that even now there are times when other things take greater priority than gathering for worship on Sunday morning. kids sports events, picnics, hiking, and outings. Just too tired from frenzied activity during the week. I cannot give you book, chapter and verse. but a New Testament scripture says, "Sake not the assembling of yourselves together as the manner of some is" Pauline, not? Once we again gather together I may be shouting Hallelujah, or dancing down the aisle, or so restful in the company of saints in worship that I will be awed to silence.
~ Ruth Nisly
Where PMC excels is in our relationship with each other. Church in your undies with a mug of coffee isn’t who we are. I come from a church which live steamed for years. PMC quite frankly can’t compete as just one more church channel in the livestream world Keep the audio for those who can’t attend but dividing up the church into strata isn’t good. The research is out there. What livestream does to attendance and a sense of community isn’t good. Over time if we loose the connection to each other our mission is lost. Too many folks will think we can have our cake and eat it too. Having come from a church that lost its mission in significant part due to live-streaming I’ve seen the effects of it. Technology that reduces community to something that is more screen time doesn’t work.
~ Chris Barghout
To those in far away places (or those close by who can't make it any other way) I'm thrilled that we'll still get to participate together in church, even if some of us are in the old building, and you're somewhere else.
~TK
I suggest we increase our bandwidth (So lots of people can use our Wi-Fi at the same time) We (PMC members) could call folks (who still feel unsafe) when we get to church and have them on facetime or some other video chat app. They could talk to people in the old chapel in addition to seeing and hearing the service. Keep it simple. Make relationships our central motivation.
~ Curt Weaver
I would like to see a separate, shorter, simple live online service where people can gather to listen to some of the Sunday morning music and scriptures, replay the sermon (video captured in the morning), and pray together. I think this could be a way to provide an opportunity for people who aren't able to attend in-person worship for whatever reason -- maybe due to distance, illness/health risk, bad weather, schedule conflict, low energy -- to connect with each other and our congregation instead of the more vicarious experience of livestreaming.
~ Rachel Joy
I have enjoyed seeing people who live outside of the metro Portland area or in another state or even in another country participate with us on Sunday mornings via Zoom. It would be great if there were some way they could continue to connect with us on Sunday mornings, even if most of us are in the church building again.
~ Linda Rush
t is difficult right now for me to imagine a world with unrestricted in-person access to our worship services and other activities. Passing time will likely soften this view. Due to the pandemic, a hybrid worship model would be my preference so that no person is excluded. We can not change the past, but the future is available for adjustments when appropriate and we have found equilibrium in our personal comfort levels.
Also, I do not think an indefinitely continued hybrid model is a deterrent to in-person attendance, but rather another way for people to be included in the church community. When we lived on the Oregon Coast, I would have loved to be able to access the worship services via ZOOM. It also offers benefit to people traveling, who are ill or for whom in-person participation is difficult.
~ Dianna Eshleman
Having the ability to watch the service has allowed my family to attend church again due to work schedules. We would of course love the luxury of having Sunday mornings off, however, essential workers are still going to be essential workers whenever their scheduled shifts dictate! We have loved being able to participate, even if it is later on Sunday evening.
~ Heather Callison
I read the comments above after completing my survey. I like the focus on alternate ways of making worship available to those who can not attend, if I was ill or housebound - I would love a way to really connect. And I also dread the idea of how live stream and cameras in the church automatically will pull attention from the moment in presence in time and space. I so look forward to being back with a group of people who commit to follow Jesus together and be with each other relationally.
~Colleen Milstein
I usually listen via Zoom using my phone. This morning I used Zoom with my tablet and phone. Streaming worship time so those at a distance (Kropfs,/ D Ness, etc) is great. Streaming also allows those who are very aged and infirm ( ahem; like one I know well) and that is good, too. BUT the mechanics and technology of zooming are diminishing for me. Even greater, the distance feels distant One of my grad school textbooks was all about relationships. And how to build relationship in the therapeutic process to promote healing. This simply is not present in physical absence in the same way You and I are hearing this expressed many times in many ways. It is my persecution that even now there are times when other things take greater priority than gathering for worship on Sunday morning. kids sports events, picnics, hiking, and outings. Just too tired from frenzied activity during the week. I cannot give you book, chapter and verse. but a New Testament scripture says, "Sake not the assembling of yourselves together as the manner of some is" Pauline, not? Once we again gather together I may be shouting Hallelujah, or dancing down the aisle, or so restful in the company of saints in worship that I will be awed to silence.
~ Ruth Nisly
